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posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 01:25pm on 02/04/2007
Merit is not the only factor that applies in the hierarchy, much though people claim it is. There's also aggressive posturing, and gaining position by belittling other people. It looks like merit is binary, not a continuum - and if you don't have enough merit, you shouldn't be here at all. Women receive a lot more sexually-related comments than they should if the community is all about output: conclusion - it is not just about output.

Also, some sorts of output (coding, bugfixing) are rated more worthy than other sorts, women's work - touchy feely usability, documentation, arranging workshops and meetings.

The set of rules they claim applies, does not.

People may want to avoid the hassle of talking nicely and not being offensive, in order for communication to be more efficient; but this does not stop them crafting belligerent responses. More efficient to let it go, eh?
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posted by [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com at 01:38pm on 02/04/2007
Yeah, OK, so immature prats make stupid insulting remarks. OK, they should grow up and develop some tact or at least a professional facade. But why does this have to be a mega issue? If someone calls me a rude name I might decide that I don't like/respect that person much but I'm not going to have much more reaction than brief anger at that person for being an annoying prat - stop caring and people will stop being stupid at you to get a cheap rise - arguing just feeds the stupid troll.
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posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 02:02pm on 02/04/2007
I think it's the scale that is the issue. You go to join in, expecting people to be developing software with a semi-professional attitude, and get not one but several people flaming you and commenting on aspects of you that are nothing to do with the project. I'm used to a work environment where that is not acceptable, and a lot of legislation and education has been targetted at stopping this. You can ignore one bully but not most of the rest of the office joining in and jeering at you.

I've not been a member of the communities discussed in the paper, but in similar situations I have sometimes given up, as my presence is unwelcome there, and gone to play with my dolls.

But now? Some anecdotes I've heard of the sort of abuse on these lists is shocking, and I would not want to watch them escalate while I tried to stop caring.

"Ignore the bullies and they'll go away" didn't work when my Mum suggested it in school, and I don't suppose it'd work now.
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