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posted by [personal profile] bugshaw at 12:22pm on 31/08/2008
On Saturday I caught the train with [livejournal.com profile] aardvark179, and met P at St Pancras station for a lunch of tuna/chicken salad and olives which were ordered, not delivered, reordered, delivered to the next table, refused, passed to us as we waved our hands like desperate olive-starved fiends, not charged to our bill, charged to the next table's bill, and finally charged to ours. They were nice. We under-tipped but only by two pence. There was conversation on floppy disks (noting that the Save icon on many GUIs is still a floppy disk), consciousness, and tea.

Then [livejournal.com profile] aardvark179 and I went on to Battersea Power Station and met with [livejournal.com profile] major_clanger, [livejournal.com profile] techiebabe and [livejournal.com profile] techiebloke. It was a baking hot day, which nicely suited the walk round the baking hot red brickwork.


Battersea Power Station
Originally uploaded by bugshaw
As I have mentioned before, the reason the building was open was because it is the subject of a set of development proposals, and a condition was that it was opened for public viewing for a few days in August. The building is long stripped out of its electricity generation equipment and huge turbines, and has been left open to the elements for a long time so it is corroding and crumbling. It is still an awesome size (though even if it is developed sensitively, the planned nearby Eco-Dome and Chimney will dwarf it) and there are some nice deco details on such a utilitarian structure. The Flickr photos include some nice iron dials and high voltage gauges for those who like that sort of thing.


Then off to The Duchess for (to continue my habit of eating/drinking things I have not had before) a Bulmers Pear Cider and an early supper. I was feeling effusive, and tipped the barman a pound on a £13 drinks order. He looked very confused as I held out the coin to him.
"Oh, sorry! Did I give you too much change?!"
"No, it's a tip :-)"
*looks confused*
B mock sighs at tourists at bar, "It's so hard to tip British bar staff"
Eventually pound is taken and barman perks up remarkably.
This anecdote brought to you by Department of It's A Different World.

I thought I survived the bus/tube/train home but have woken with a large gouge on my elbow. I wish I knew how it got there.
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posted by [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com at 12:04pm on 31/08/2008
Tipping bar staff not really the done thing...
 
posted by [identity profile] mkillingworth.livejournal.com at 01:25pm on 31/08/2008
So, what *is* considered an appropriate tip in this country? In the States it's 15-20 percent, dependent on time of day, quality of service, etc. I know I probably over tip, but that's largely because no one ever told me what the tipping conventions here actually are. Himself is no guide, because he's a Yorkshireman. So, what do others do?
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 01:44pm on 31/08/2008
The only people who I think really expect a tip in the UK are food servers, and that's 10%. Tipping taxi drivers and hairdressers is reasonably common, and maybe some bars/coffee bars. I usually tip food delivery people too, maybe £1-1.50.

Whether tipping is/should be necessary or whether food/service prices should include everything the server needs for a living wage, is another question :-(
 
posted by [identity profile] mkillingworth.livejournal.com at 01:53pm on 31/08/2008
When I was young and worked as a waitress in the States, it was legal to pay wait staff well below minimum wage, with the assumption that the balance was made up in tips. I don't know if that is still the case or not. I used to make really good tips, but I don't think that the system is particularly fair. The only up side of it from a customer standpoint, is that you can reasonably expect a fairly good level of service, because you get to decide how much the server gets paid. The down side if you are a server is that many people think of tips as optional, especially tourists from another country where tipping is not the norm.
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 02:03pm on 31/08/2008
Amusing information about tips and gratuities and whether PAYE/privately declared income tax or NI contributions are due on them:
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/helpsheets/E24.pdf

The crappest thing is that waitstaff can be employed at a rate below national minimum wage, and shared tips can then be used to bring it up to minimum. (If there aren't enough tips, the employer has to make up the difference)
 
posted by [identity profile] bellinghman.livejournal.com at 05:31pm on 31/08/2008
I was chatting to a smartly-turned-out barman in a hotel in Charlotte a couple of years back, and was absolutely horrified to hear that he actually only got minimum wage, and relied on tips to make him a decent living.

I think it's a cultural thing. In this country, the preference is for the price to be paid to be shown up front. So we usually show prices inc taxes, too.

(One of the things I liked about Japan is the horror there if you attempt to tip.)

I
 
posted by [identity profile] mkillingworth.livejournal.com at 06:09pm on 31/08/2008
If he was getting minimum wage he was doing well. Most bar and wait staff don't even get minimum wage in the States.
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posted by [identity profile] auntysarah.livejournal.com at 02:01pm on 31/08/2008
I think that generally, tipping bar staff is only done if one knows the person in question, and then the tip takes the form of the offer of a drink.
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 02:04pm on 31/08/2008
Yeah, a friend of mine often used to do that, years ago, at the company local we would frequent. When I tried I got a really odd look from the barmaid and decided I wouldn't try that again...
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posted by [personal profile] dalmeny at 02:18pm on 31/08/2008
I very much enjoyed the photos, thanks. Nonlinear gauges!
 
posted by [identity profile] techiebabe.livejournal.com at 03:02pm on 31/08/2008
Bar staff don't want a tip unless they return your change on a plate. If you want to tip them, then you say "and please take for whatever you'd like, too". (This also gives them the chance to say they put it aside for later, if they cannot drink on duty.)

Do you tip them in Cambridge?

Anyway - it was lovely to see you! Really enjoyed our gentle amble around the building. I'll be sorry when it's surrounded by flats.
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 03:07pm on 31/08/2008
Ah, I am made of wrong today :-/

Nice to see you too, thank you for coming!
 
posted by [identity profile] techiebabe.livejournal.com at 03:10pm on 31/08/2008
Hey, I'm sure the barman didn't mind! Just a bit surprised! Nice surprise though, eh? :)
 
posted by [identity profile] ceb.livejournal.com at 11:23am on 01/09/2008
Power station! I particularly like all the dials :-)

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