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posted by [personal profile] bugshaw at 12:49pm on 02/11/2009 under
Waay back in the 90s, I used to enjoy drawing occasionally. I rather got stuck at a certain point in style and never moved on, partly because I didn't know how or couldn't see why there were problems (other people could!), and the style suited my purposes adequately for cartoony line drawings that would have to survive a couple of iterations of photocopying, or Pictionary.

The first sort of drawing I had any competence in was lab diagrams for school science lessons - plants, glassware apparatus, internal organs, all in glorious black and white line drawing, no sense of perspective or composition required, no shading of contours or shadows, no expression, and you got to label every component. My diagrams were clear and precise, and did their job of communicating an experimental setup or identifying parts. This, I find, is what has stuck with me (right down to an unfortunate tendency to label things on drawings in case you can't tell what they are), and I've never worked at developing the other aspects.

Time for a change, eh? "If you can write, you can draw;" "Drawing is just a matter of seeing in a certain way." "Practice, practice, practice." With a borrowed copy of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (ooh, now available on the Internet!), a commitment to practice, and an embarrassingly untouched 400+ pages of sketchbook paper (the clean white pages, I cannot resist buying them), I shall see where I get.

The obvious choice for a first attempt, given my familiarity with the laboratory world, was a conical flask of boiling water drawn with 2B pencil and trying to avoid just drawing an outline. In hindsight, I could have picked something easier than something transparent and roiling with bubbles inside something else transparent. Doh! And thinking hard about perspective and shading doesn't make them happen. Apparently. Yet. And it might have been easier to do from life instead of 1987's memories, what with the emphasis on seeing feeding into drawing. If I've not looked at a flask differently in the last 20 years, why should I be able to draw it differently? Still, it'll do to show me where I've come from...
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posted by [personal profile] cdave at 01:43pm on 02/11/2009
I worked my way through that book over a two week holiday once. Setting aside about 2 hours a day to read a chapter, then do the warm ups, and the full excersize was really great.

I drew a couple of very passable portraits of my girlfriend at the end of it. I mean they looked like her and everything!

Then I spectacularly failed to keep drawing. Still nice to know I can at least draw what's in front of me if I put the time in.
 
posted by [identity profile] annafdd.livejournal.com at 07:19pm on 02/11/2009
Ditto on both counts!
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 08:36pm on 02/11/2009
I suspect I will do the same!
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posted by [identity profile] 1ngi.livejournal.com at 03:55pm on 02/11/2009
Negative spaces is a good one to learn. Take you icon above. To draw the arm, instead of drawing the arm, draw the space above the arm and below the chin, then draw the shadow-space below the arm and beside the wall. You'll end up with an arm in the middle.

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Are you really sure that your person drawing is worse, and it's not that our recognition circuits for human figures is far more sophisticated, and therefore more critical, than our rhinos and foxes circuits?
 
posted by [identity profile] sphyg.livejournal.com at 03:58pm on 02/11/2009
Portraits are my fave subject, but they often end up noticably asymmetrical.
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 08:45pm on 02/11/2009
I don't even know how you'd define a "proper drawing", but part of this (for me) is about doing rather than defining. Also, see me procrastinate over doing today's attempt! It's scary.
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posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 09:28am on 03/11/2009
Oh ho! Yes, I think I can take him. All I have to do is keep drawing...

Did drawing of "a person" yesterday. It turned out with a giant enormous chin, and looking uncannily like my sister.
 
posted by [identity profile] sharikkamur.livejournal.com at 02:19pm on 02/11/2009
I really ought to invest in a copy of that and work through it myself. I can sort-of copy things but but I really don't do original stuff for which I don't have a 'formula'. I too have lots of pages of unused sketchbook paper. Maybe it's time to put it to use...
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 08:40pm on 02/11/2009
I've been impressed with your lovely illuminations :-)
 
posted by [identity profile] 1ngi.livejournal.com at 03:56pm on 02/11/2009
Awesome book.
 
posted by [identity profile] annafdd.livejournal.com at 07:20pm on 02/11/2009
I did Drawing on the Right Side this summer, with fairly spectacular results, and I had a great time with it. Ignore all the scientific mumbo-jumbo, which is fairly outdated: but the exercises are great and very effective.
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 08:41pm on 02/11/2009
Pity it seems mostly about drawing humans, cats would be easier :-) or at least more often close to hand...
 
posted by [identity profile] annafdd.livejournal.com at 10:02pm on 02/11/2009
I mostly did cats. :-) Same principle, you know. The only thing is I mostly did sleeping cats, are cats from photos, because they don't stay still, the damn beasts!
 
posted by [identity profile] mopingelephant.livejournal.com at 08:43pm on 02/11/2009
My "artistic" ability was ruined from an early age; "Fish, during today's art class, why don't you not bother and just do your Maths homework instead?" Even twenty-five years later I remember that whenever I pick up a pencil.

What's saved me is digitization :c)
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 08:53pm on 02/11/2009
Sometimes you just have to wait for the right medium to come along? Another thing that inhibited my early development was that "her sister is the artistic one". It kind of felt like there wasn't much point trying. She doubtless felt the same about science...
 
posted by [identity profile] mopingelephant.livejournal.com at 09:17pm on 02/11/2009
*deletes joke about Doris Stokes being the right medium*

I had Sister Problems too; I was definitely the black sheep to her pure-Persil white. I was rather pleased to hear the other month that she's now following me, having taken up an OU psychology module...
 
posted by [identity profile] annafdd.livejournal.com at 10:05pm on 02/11/2009
It was worse for me. My best friend was enormously good at drawing. I took a look at his freehand-drawn, completely original, incredibly detailed spaceships (age about ten) and gave up.

He also played both the piano and the clavichord and beat me by two orders of magnitude at videogames.

We're still friends tho. :-)
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posted by [identity profile] mopingelephant.livejournal.com at 09:15pm on 02/11/2009
^ heh.

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