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posted by [personal profile] bugshaw at 11:05am on 16/02/2007
I was pondering some of the common difficulties in hugging, and contemplating doing an illustrated book in the style of Kathleen Keating's The Little Book of Hugs (not using camels as they are difficult to draw hugging!).

When I fumble a hug in clumsy and graceless fashion, a typical failure mode is not achieving the complementary arm configuration. I approach - the huggee approaches. We raise our arms in preparation! I (say) have my left arm up (to go over the shoulder) and my right arm low (to go round the waist/torso): the huggee has mirrored this. Oh no! We're going to clash! Quickly, I move my left arm down and my right arm up so we will fit together - just as the huggee adjusts their position to fit mine! Aieee! By then it's too late and one person ends up smacking the other upside the nose with their elbow, or you do manage the hug but with one arm of the four crushed between you in a most uncomfortable angle.

It seems common for people to have a preferred angle, or chirality, for hugging. The semaphore flag code seems
a) an excellent way of denoting this, and
b) opens the mind to new hugging possibilities!

At first I thought the best representation of the hug approach pattern was one arm high, one arm low (the other positions are up, down, and out). This can be seen in
, representing the characters "L" and "annul".
That's no good! If someone comes up to you with a nice friendly L you don't want to reject their approach by signalling "annul" at them!

A better option is denote your default chirality by
"Q" and "Y".
I'm a Q, myself.

Attempts to synchronise chirality often result in
"Error" (LH and RH raised and lowered together)
- the windmilling approach discussed earlier. Although reducing the spontaneity of the occasion, the best tactic can be to retreat and make another attempt more slowly, rather than risk injury.

Be wary of huggers who approach with an
"S" - they could be coming in for a grope of the buttocks!


"Z" should only be attempted by experienced practitioners, as you could easily break an arm.

Note: Do not try hugging while holding actual signalling flags - you could have someone's eye out.

All diagrams were taken from this page, which is oddly sponsored by the Australian National Botanic Gardens.

One of the most useful hugging techniques I have learnt is that when something goes wrong, to smile and continue the hug as if there's no problem. The alternative, of leaping away and cringing, tends to leave the parties uncomfortable and self-conscious.

I like to save my cringing and falling through the floor moments for when I am safely on my own, and eventually become able to laugh at myself. Triggering events have included, as well as the crushing/elbowing mentioned above,
- the OMG he's much taller than I realised and I've accidentally grabbed his bum instead of his waist! hug
- and the aren't women's chests squashy? Isn't this weird? We should have gone in at a different angle! hug.

Thank you for reading - I hope this has been useful, or at least mildly entertaining. It is probably now time to punch someone on the shoulder and talk about sports.
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posted by [identity profile] alex-holden.livejournal.com at 12:16pm on 16/02/2007
What about the situation where one person puts their arms out for a hug and the other puts their hand out to shake hands, and the hugger walks into the shaker's outstretched hand?
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 12:35pm on 16/02/2007
If you're the shaker, I guess you get to choose whether to smile and get crushed, or use your outstretched arm to fend off the hugger if you really don't want to get hugged. "I'm sorry - I appear to have impaled you with a signalling flag!"

It would be fascinating (if possible) to look at algorithms governing the decision-making process as two people meet for some sort of physical contact, incorporating the signals they use to convey intention and the way they identify and respond to the other signals. Are there inverse square laws? Are there delta function components? Can you track the initial trajectories and predict the outcome? Can you model the interaction of different base function types and propose optimum hug-approach behaviour for an encounter with no discontinuities? Do you see a hysteresis effect in repeated encounters?

Would this all work better or worse in zero gravity?
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posted by [personal profile] damienw at 01:02pm on 16/02/2007
Would this all work better or worse in zero gravity?
Worse fro hugging parties, better for "funny" video makers.

ps: fmz article! plokta obvious choice to send to...
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 01:51pm on 16/02/2007
Zero gravity = less limb crushage.

Plokta publication = Sue Mason illos? They would be wonderful...
 
posted by [identity profile] fishlifter.livejournal.com at 12:22pm on 16/02/2007
I find my most common problem is the same as with a social/cheek kiss -- which side to pass on? I often wonder if it's to do with handedness, or even with nationality (e.g. which side of the road do you drive on).

Not to mention second-guessing the two- or three-kiss routines.

And it's much easier to get from a handshake to a hug, if you decide that's what you do with that person, than to get back the other way...
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 12:37pm on 16/02/2007
In some countries they have rules for which side of the pavement/sidewalk you walk on, to avoid the pavement dance effect.

I always get thrown by a second cheek - I can carry off one swoop with some nonchalance but I'm never expecting the second, even from a person who always does two.
 
posted by [identity profile] saare-snowqueen.livejournal.com at 09:18pm on 16/02/2007
Then how do you deal with the 3 pronger - common in France, Belgium amd other places - over there?
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posted by [identity profile] dougs.livejournal.com at 12:42pm on 16/02/2007
It's a great pity I'm not assembling fanzines from LJ posts any more.
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posted by [identity profile] dougs.livejournal.com at 12:44pm on 16/02/2007
... then there was the time I found a book in a second-hand shop. It was entitled "how to kiss", and I purchased it eagerly, but when I got it home and started to study, it emerged that I'd bought a copy of volume five of an encyclopedia.
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 12:48pm on 16/02/2007
*thwap*!!! Nice one
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 12:47pm on 16/02/2007
I was thinking as I wrote this, that it's the sort of thing I'd usually put in a fanzine, but that I hadn't done a fanzine for some years. And if I did, the chances are people would say "thank you!" and put it in a heap and not read it.

Maybe I can incorporate future research ideas which arise on this first draft, and print an expanded version :-)
 
posted by [identity profile] seph-hazard.livejournal.com at 05:05pm on 16/02/2007
Yes, but I am...

[flutters eyelashes at Bug in a I-need-Issue-2-done-by-Eastercon-and-I-haven't-started-it-yet sort of a way]

May I?
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posted by [personal profile] redbird at 12:46pm on 16/02/2007
For the significant height disparity, I find that a chirality of 0, with both parties holding their arms at about 90° from the ground, works and avoids cringing and falling through the floor.
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 12:51pm on 16/02/2007
Ah. "R". The traditional approach.

I find it hard to read when it is ended and time to disengage. And it can be difficult to disengage, as sometimes you find your arms pinioned to your sides!
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posted by [personal profile] redbird at 01:37pm on 16/02/2007
Ah, yes, the distinction between hugging new people and hugs in an established friendship with hugging already a part.
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 01:52pm on 16/02/2007
I'm new enough to hugging that most of my hugs feel new, rather than having established a pattern.

Some people I tried, I could never find an equilibrium with.
 
posted by [identity profile] mkillingworth.livejournal.com at 01:03pm on 16/02/2007
I think I'm more of a "y" kind of person, unless one of my hands is full, or I'm holding my cane, in which case I switch sides. Hugging in [livejournal.com profile] timill's family is awkward. I'm a huggie, touchie, feelie kind of person, and his family (not including him) really aren't. his father is clearly uncomfortable about being hugged. His brother can never figure out how to reciprocate, especially with his wife, the bitch, glowering at him for trying.
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 02:09pm on 16/02/2007
*switches arms from "Q"*

*hugs*
 
posted by [identity profile] hawkida.livejournal.com at 01:21pm on 16/02/2007
I enjoyed this lots. (BTW, John Coxon is looking for fanzine contributions if you would like to give it a papery home.)

However it has added to my confusion over how I feel about hugs because now as well as not being sure if I want to give and/or receive them I'm going to be worried about clashes where I'd never had that concern before!
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 02:07pm on 16/02/2007
John's would be apt, as writing this was a major Procrastination...

I get fewer clashes when I act in pure recipient mode - I see the hugger approach and base my reaction on what would fit with them. But I get fewer hugs that way than when I take a more active part in initiating the hug.

I'm still fairly poor at initiating hugs, but I am a lot better at not running away and hiding when someone comes towards me with arms!

(Maybe if I get enough practice at this it will begin to feel as "natural" and "instinctive" as society leads us to expect so if we have trouble we think we're crap at being human. But I find I usually need to get through a perhaps over-analytic stage before I internalise the understanding (she says, over-analytically))
 
posted by [identity profile] fishlifter.livejournal.com at 02:44pm on 16/02/2007
Was just commenting to someone yesterday that I hug lots more people at a Corflu than otherwise. And it all felt more natural: no obvious bumping or crashing. I suspect this is more how I feel about many other Corflu-attending people, as compared to wider group of friends, than indicative of fanzine fans being especially good at hugging!
 
posted by [identity profile] seph-hazard.livejournal.com at 05:07pm on 16/02/2007
(BTW, John Coxon is looking for fanzine contributions if you would like to give it a papery home.)
Damn you, woman! I was putting in an angle for this! [grin]
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posted by [identity profile] dougs.livejournal.com at 05:31pm on 16/02/2007
Bug -- Since Abi is a fan-fund candidate, she's much more deserving of fanzine-ready copy than John.
 
posted by [identity profile] seph-hazard.livejournal.com at 05:09pm on 16/02/2007
I'm a Q, I think. Though I do kissing, too-generally both cheeks, or a peck on the lips if it's a good friend.

This is most amusing. mumblemutterandshouldbeinDemeter'sDaughtermuttermumble
 
posted by [identity profile] vicarage.livejournal.com at 01:16pm on 19/02/2007
Well keep practicing, as its good for your heart
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 01:21pm on 19/02/2007
I just read that! I think it has to be stress-free hugging though...

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