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posted by [personal profile] bugshaw at 06:57pm on 21/03/2006
Earlier, on LiveJournal, [livejournal.com profile] simont asked "In what order would you naturally list the four suits of a pack of cards?"

My first answer, SCHD, was the order taught me by my nice Christian Dad - and turns out (rather spookily) to be the order of the equivalent Tarot suits.

On reflection I felt a more "natural" order might be DHSC, i.e. arranging them in order of number of re-entrant angles (bits which point inwards). ♦ ♥ ♠ ♣ (may not display correctly on all systems)

But I notice a glaring omission:

0 Diamonds
1 Hearts
2 Spades
3
4 Clubs

There is a suit missing! The suit with three re-entrant angles! What should be there?
A bit of research brought me to The Mammals of Texas, and Item 32 on their Key to the Rodents of Texas which identifies animals based on their tooth shapes.
Enamel pattern of third upper molar with three closed triangles or, if with only two closed triangles, then with three inner re-entrant angles: Microtus mexicanus (Mexican vole).

And there we have our answer. Nestling between the spades and clubs, is the Secret Suit of Voles.

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posted by [personal profile] drplokta at 08:06pm on 21/03/2006
You're not a bridge player, are you? CDHS is the one true ordering.
 
posted by [identity profile] pigeonhed.livejournal.com at 08:25pm on 21/03/2006
It is and it is also alphabetical.

What is the 'Christian' relevance of your order?
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 09:17pm on 21/03/2006
It is and it is also alphabetical.

Only in English, I suspect.

What is the 'Christian' relevance of your order?

I did not mean it was particularly Christian, it just tickled me that of all the 24 possible orders my Dad could have taught me, it was the one which matches the Tarot/occult order...
 
posted by [identity profile] purpletigron.livejournal.com at 08:15pm on 21/03/2006
W00t!

I would go... hearts, clubs, diamonds, spades.
 
posted by [identity profile] bibliofile.livejournal.com at 08:33pm on 21/03/2006
Voles?! Who knew.
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posted by [identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com at 10:00pm on 21/03/2006
Didn't you know that voles secretly rule the world?
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 10:07pm on 21/03/2006
Gasp! The Queen of Voles!
 
posted by [identity profile] darth-tigger.livejournal.com at 10:37am on 22/03/2006
Clubs and Diamonds are quiet and pleasant to be around. Hearts and Spades are heavy and haughty and somewhat distant in their manner, but are the ones in charge. (The Queen of Spades particularly is a stroppy cow who wants to run everything). So I'd order them Clubs/Diamonds followed by Hearts/Spades as then you go from friendly to distant, but also from secondary to ruling.

Voles (as a word) is dark purplish.
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 10:06pm on 22/03/2006
Most people classify by colour or bidding order in a game - I've not seen anyone classify them by friendliness and authority before. Synaesthesia, yes?

See you at Easter!
 
posted by [identity profile] darth-tigger.livejournal.com at 12:45am on 23/03/2006
Yep!

See you at Easter!
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 05:23pm on 22/03/2006
(Following you from Simon's post) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suit_(cards) suggests some people have evolved a related system counting protrusions, claiming:

0 diamonds
1 spades
2 hearts
3 clubs

But I'm not sure if they can mathematically justify counting the the point of the spade but the lobes of the heart.
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 09:59pm on 22/03/2006
[reads Wikipedia] Gosh, what a lot of history I never knew existed! So many decks, and names for suits.

"supposedly mnemonic", yes. Their system is a bit of a stretch (unlike mine ;-))

"Various people have independently suggested expanding the Anglo-American deck to five, six or even more suits" I'm slightly disappointed to find I'm not the first. I suspect Wikipedia is not yet ready for the Truth about Voles.
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 02:00pm on 23/03/2006
Indeed, the marmotic system is much superior. I love the idea of voles. Well, we know enough people who play improvised card games.
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posted by [identity profile] perlmonger.livejournal.com at 09:37am on 23/03/2006
the truth is out there!

I've added "secret suit of voles" to my interests list; I'll be waiting for the knock on my door at 3am now...
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 10:04am on 23/03/2006
Me too. It's so beautiful, it must be true. Pity my vole picture looks more like a mouse or shrew :-( Voles have tiny ears, and stubby noses.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 11:33am on 23/03/2006
SHDC here, but I have no idea why.

I find http://www.symbols.com/ is often quite good for this sort of thing. Is it a Manx or an ancient Greek vole? (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/16/1632.html)

-- a random Firedrake
 
posted by [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com at 12:20pm on 23/03/2006
Click - click - click - ai! Into the "After Easter" favourites folder for you, young feller-me-web-site!
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posted by [personal profile] nwhyte at 01:02pm on 23/03/2006
Always been Spades Hearts Clubs Diamonds for me!

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