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Bridget ([personal profile] bugshaw) wrote2006-03-21 06:57 pm

A Pack of Lies!

Earlier, on LiveJournal, [livejournal.com profile] simont asked "In what order would you naturally list the four suits of a pack of cards?"

My first answer, SCHD, was the order taught me by my nice Christian Dad - and turns out (rather spookily) to be the order of the equivalent Tarot suits.

On reflection I felt a more "natural" order might be DHSC, i.e. arranging them in order of number of re-entrant angles (bits which point inwards). ♦ ♥ ♠ ♣ (may not display correctly on all systems)

But I notice a glaring omission:

0 Diamonds
1 Hearts
2 Spades
3
4 Clubs

There is a suit missing! The suit with three re-entrant angles! What should be there?
A bit of research brought me to The Mammals of Texas, and Item 32 on their Key to the Rodents of Texas which identifies animals based on their tooth shapes.
Enamel pattern of third upper molar with three closed triangles or, if with only two closed triangles, then with three inner re-entrant angles: Microtus mexicanus (Mexican vole).

And there we have our answer. Nestling between the spades and clubs, is the Secret Suit of Voles.

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[personal profile] drplokta 2006-03-21 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
You're not a bridge player, are you? CDHS is the one true ordering.

[identity profile] pigeonhed.livejournal.com 2006-03-21 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
It is and it is also alphabetical.

What is the 'Christian' relevance of your order?

[identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com 2006-03-21 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
It is and it is also alphabetical.

Only in English, I suspect.

What is the 'Christian' relevance of your order?

I did not mean it was particularly Christian, it just tickled me that of all the 24 possible orders my Dad could have taught me, it was the one which matches the Tarot/occult order...

[identity profile] purpletigron.livejournal.com 2006-03-21 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
W00t!

I would go... hearts, clubs, diamonds, spades.

[identity profile] bibliofile.livejournal.com 2006-03-21 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Voles?! Who knew.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2006-03-21 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Didn't you know that voles secretly rule the world?

[identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com 2006-03-21 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Gasp! The Queen of Voles!

[identity profile] darth-tigger.livejournal.com 2006-03-22 10:37 am (UTC)(link)
Clubs and Diamonds are quiet and pleasant to be around. Hearts and Spades are heavy and haughty and somewhat distant in their manner, but are the ones in charge. (The Queen of Spades particularly is a stroppy cow who wants to run everything). So I'd order them Clubs/Diamonds followed by Hearts/Spades as then you go from friendly to distant, but also from secondary to ruling.

Voles (as a word) is dark purplish.

[identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com 2006-03-22 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Most people classify by colour or bidding order in a game - I've not seen anyone classify them by friendliness and authority before. Synaesthesia, yes?

See you at Easter!

[identity profile] darth-tigger.livejournal.com 2006-03-23 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
Yep!

See you at Easter!

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2006-03-22 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
(Following you from Simon's post) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suit_(cards) suggests some people have evolved a related system counting protrusions, claiming:

0 diamonds
1 spades
2 hearts
3 clubs

But I'm not sure if they can mathematically justify counting the the point of the spade but the lobes of the heart.

[identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com 2006-03-22 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
[reads Wikipedia] Gosh, what a lot of history I never knew existed! So many decks, and names for suits.

"supposedly mnemonic", yes. Their system is a bit of a stretch (unlike mine ;-))

"Various people have independently suggested expanding the Anglo-American deck to five, six or even more suits" I'm slightly disappointed to find I'm not the first. I suspect Wikipedia is not yet ready for the Truth about Voles.

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2006-03-23 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed, the marmotic system is much superior. I love the idea of voles. Well, we know enough people who play improvised card games.
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[identity profile] perlmonger.livejournal.com 2006-03-23 09:37 am (UTC)(link)
the truth is out there!

I've added "secret suit of voles" to my interests list; I'll be waiting for the knock on my door at 3am now...

[identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com 2006-03-23 10:04 am (UTC)(link)
Me too. It's so beautiful, it must be true. Pity my vole picture looks more like a mouse or shrew :-( Voles have tiny ears, and stubby noses.

(Anonymous) 2006-03-23 11:33 am (UTC)(link)
SHDC here, but I have no idea why.

I find http://www.symbols.com/ is often quite good for this sort of thing. Is it a Manx or an ancient Greek vole? (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/16/1632.html)

-- a random Firedrake

Symbols nice

[identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com 2006-03-23 12:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Click - click - click - ai! Into the "After Easter" favourites folder for you, young feller-me-web-site!
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[personal profile] nwhyte 2006-03-23 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Always been Spades Hearts Clubs Diamonds for me!